Denier pour confirmation identification...

Bonjour, j' ai trouvé dans un labour ce denier que je voudrais vous voir confirmer :

Avers : ANTONINVS PIVS AVG BRIT

Revers : MARTI PROPVG NATORI

Il ne ressemble pas du tout à un denier d' Antonin le Pieux... et j' ai trouvé ceci sur internet qui l' attribuerait à Caracalla:
http://vso.numishop.eu/fiche-v38_0687-vso_mo-1-vso.html

quelqu'un peut-il me le confirmer ?
Bon dimanche à tout le monde.

c'est la bouille de Caracalla

il me semble que c'est plus un denier nan ?

bien sûr que c'est un denier !!! je suis une buse...
il y a des dimanche matins plus durs que d' autres ....
je change le titre.

Ben oui tu as raison en voici plusieurs à comparer au tien . http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=MARTI+PROPVG+NATORI&category=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&currency=usd&order=0&company=

Oui un denier de 213, car il existe 3 titulatures différentes cette année-là. La tienne est la première avec encore la mention de vainqueur des Bretons (BRIT). Voici les références: RSC150 - RIC 223. C'est certainement le plus courant de la série (5 exemplaires rien qu'à la BnF).

septimus a écrit:

Oui un denier de 213, car il existe 3 titulatures différentes cette année-là.

The MARTI PROPVGNATORI type was actually introduced in the course of 212 and then continued into 213.

We know this because two of its companion types, Hercules standing and Serapis standing, began with TRP XV and then continued in TR P XVI.

Reka Devnia specimen counts for this Mars type: 170 with BRIT, 14 with FEL, 22 with GERM.

Why do you say "its companion types"?
Is it based on the Reka Devnia figures?
We can imagine that a part of coins with BRIT were minted in 212 to have equivalent figures of each type for each issue, is it right?

I say companion types because they were obviously struck simultaneously.

There are four denarius types that pass from BRIT to FEL and then on to GERM.

Two of those types are dated.

Hercules standing: 141 coins in Reka Devnia with BRIT, namely 49 with TR P XV and 92 with TR P XVI; 24 with FEL, all TR P XVI; and 20 with GERM, namely 3 with TR P XVI and 17 with TR P XVII.

Serapis standing: 147 coins with BRIT, namely 65 with TR P XV and 82 with TR P XVI; 13 with FEL, all TR P XVI; and 22 with GERM, namely 8 with TR P XVI and 14 with TR P XVII.

Plus two undated types.

MARTI PROPVGNATORI: 170 coins with BRIT, 14 with FEL, 22 with GERM.

MONETA AVG: 135 coins with BRIT, 16 with FEL, 24 with GERM.

Can there be any doubt that these four types were strictly contemporaneous, and that each was struck in about the same volume?

There was a fifth contemporaneous type also, or rather apparently a sequence of three types: PROFECTIO AVG with BRIT, TR P XVI Libertas with BRIT and FEL, and INDVLGENTIA AVG with GERM. Plus Julia Domna's type DIANA LVCIFERA, represented by 210 coins in RD, compared with 185 dated Hercules, 182 dated Serapis, 206 Mars, 175 Moneta, and 154 sequence of three types.

Philip Hill, as usual, made a complete mess of this issue!

This demonstration is clear. Thanks Curtis.

Belle trouvaille